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Post by footy on Nov 16, 2005 17:50:19 GMT
when I first started watching it when it first started I was only six and I didn't figure out intil a few years later that they were gay.
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Post by inkling on Nov 16, 2005 21:45:40 GMT
I figured it out after two episodes, when I was... 14 I think. Or 13.
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Post by timandgavin4ever on Nov 17, 2005 4:06:21 GMT
I knew instantly when I first saw an episode, can't remember which one.
I'm terrible. I tend to see probable homosexual relationships in a number of shows/movies: Example: The Phantom menace - Obi Wan and Qui-Gon were SO a couple!!!
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Post by inkling on Nov 17, 2005 15:05:23 GMT
^sometimes I see things like that too.
I realised the second Tim said "You said you were at your mothers on Tuesday!"
But if i saw it now, i'd realise in the first episode.
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Post by oikie on Nov 21, 2005 20:25:31 GMT
I'm terrible. I tend to see probable homosexual relationships in a number of shows/movies: Example: The Phantom menace - Obi Wan and Qui-Gon were SO a couple!!! Please explain yourself!  I don't think they are a couple. People can't be close friends anymore, or someone thinks they are gay.  |
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Post by Kanna on Nov 22, 2005 9:48:27 GMT
They were established as canon in the very first episode, reinforced in the second. Fairly daring, given this wzs more than a decade ago and a pre-watershed show.
But please, could this be *one* safe haven on the net where we don't have canon/subtext slash wars? So far this board has been a merciful haven from that kind of thing, with people being remarkably tolerant of the canon relationships (Laura/Michael aside ~grin~) and of people shipping whatever they want - other people don't necessarily agree on subtext or like the same pairings, but everyone's been remarkably cheerful and nice about things, with no slash/canon unpleasantness. Please don't spoil it, guys. There's plenty of Star Wars forums in which any Star Wars shipping wars can be fought, if you don't get bonked over the head for it bringing it up again.
~goes back into my lonely Carole/Helen corner~
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Post by oikie on Nov 23, 2005 18:15:56 GMT
Are you refering to my comment? I don't understand what you are talking about....  |
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Post by Chris on Nov 24, 2005 7:14:59 GMT
They were established as canon in the very first episode, reinforced in the second. Fairly daring, given this wzs more than a decade ago and a pre-watershed show. But please, could this be *one* safe haven on the net where we don't have canon/subtext slash wars? So far this board has been a merciful haven from that kind of thing, with people being remarkably tolerant of the canon relationships (Laura/Michael aside ~grin~) and of people shipping whatever they want - other people don't necessarily agree on subtext or like the same pairings, but everyone's been remarkably cheerful and nice about things, with no slash/canon unpleasantness. Please don't spoil it, guys. There's plenty of Star Wars forums in which any Star Wars shipping wars can be fought, if you don't get bonked over the head for it bringing it up again. ~goes back into my lonely Carole/Helen corner~ I do not understand this post at all. Am I missing something? |
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Post by Kanna on Nov 24, 2005 8:32:22 GMT
[I do not understand this post at all. Am I missing something? Very probably. Point by point: Tim and Gavin were a canon couple. This was established in the first episode. The second episode made it even more clear. The Brittas Empire was made in the 1990s. It was shown before the ratings watershed. This affected the kind of content it was likely to hold, and made the representation of a gay couple unusual. Subtext vs canon arguments are repetitive and tiresome, especially when "Can't anyone just be friends" is trotted out. Anyone who has been in fandom for long has seen it all before, many times. It's been really nice that this forum is a friendly, tolerant place in which they don't usually happen. If they are about Star Wars subtext, they are also off-topic. So I would like it very much if they were kept to Star Wars forums. |
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Post by oikie on Nov 24, 2005 14:05:52 GMT
I wasn't talking about Tim and Gavin. It was obvious that they were gay.
I was just asking a question about Star Wars (I didn't make the original comment) and I certainly don't care enough to go to a Star Wars message board. I think you are the only one who is making a big deal out of this!
I don't understand the word 'canon' by the way.
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Post by Chris on Nov 24, 2005 19:54:17 GMT
[I do not understand this post at all. Am I missing something? Very probably. Point by point: Tim and Gavin were a canon couple. This was established in the first episode. The second episode made it even more clear. The Brittas Empire was made in the 1990s. It was shown before the ratings watershed. This affected the kind of content it was likely to hold, and made the representation of a gay couple unusual. Subtext vs canon arguments are repetitive and tiresome, especially when "Can't anyone just be friends" is trotted out. Anyone who has been in fandom for long has seen it all before, many times. It's been really nice that this forum is a friendly, tolerant place in which they don't usually happen. If they are about Star Wars subtext, they are also off-topic. So I would like it very much if they were kept to Star Wars forums. Hi Kanna Thank you for the explanation. I have never heard the term 'canon couple' before. Does it just mean a gay couple? I see where you are coming from with the Star Wars remarks. For some reason both Star Wars and Star Trek attracts lots of gay innuendo. It is all crap in my opinion, and you are right inasmuch as it should not be introduced into the Brittas Empire message board. I always liked the Tim & Gavin relationship because it depicted a couple that were together and who were also gay. There was no big thing about it, they were just a couple who happened to be guys. It was excellent for its time and I loved it. As a young gay man who was in the closet I was delighted to see a 'normal' relationship between two guys. Chris |
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Post by Elf on Nov 24, 2005 21:54:46 GMT
Thank you for the explanation. I have never heard the term 'canon couple' before. Does it just mean a gay couple?[/i] 'Canon' is a word that has it's roots in the word 'rules'. In fandom, however, it is used to describe 'facts' the show gives us. (Often this is then messed up by writers who don't know their stuff!). So anything canon is something we see or hear in the programme. It is canon that Tim and Gavin are a couple. It is canon that Gordon has a brother named Horatio. Then there is a corruption of the word - 'fanon'. This describes popular ideas with fans of things that were never established on the show itself. I'm not sure Brittas is a lively enough fandom to have much fanon though! So it should be canon that Carol's childrens have set names...but sadly the writers messed up on that one! The reason I would refer to G&T being a 'canon couple' instead of just a couple is to establish that it's not slash (because Slash is genre that relies upon the two people in question not being in an established relationship on the show). Hope this helps and isn't too confusing! xx |
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Post by Totoffle on Dec 5, 2005 21:00:26 GMT
Thanks Kanna  Any off-topic stuff to the General Chat area please, or it will be moved. And just to be picky or whatever you want to call it, discussion and debate is of course welcome (as long as it's clean!), but huge arguments will not be tolerated. *Takes off Mod-Hat* |
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Post by footy on Jun 18, 2006 19:51:53 GMT
It was a great to see a normal gay couple, most gay chracters on tv act very differerent
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Post by catriona on May 18, 2009 18:12:55 GMT
Footy, I didn't get it either as I was a kid - then again, I'm not too good at spotting it these days either...But they're a sweet pair.
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