series 6 Tim

[freeze883]

So I've finally finished my re-watch of the show and I really loved it again. But the only thing I didn't care for was how alone and/or crazy and seen as over emotional Tim seems to be every now and then, it's the worst in series 6 where it is mostly fighting with Gavin.

Up to series 5 they are very much together and then Gavin gets his promotion and I got a little worried from what I remembered the first time around but it was all great. But then in series 6 all they seemed to do was fight. It might be because Laura was gone but it seemed a lot like it was only Tim who thought Brittas was an idiot and where as before it would be Gavin and Tim against Brittas it turned into everyone against Tim for complaining about it.

Of course they had some cute moments and they fixed it in series 7 what with Gavin and Tim once again teaming up against Brittas and given that I still take the future ep as the official ending I really love that they are still together after all the years.

So I was just wondering about others people's opinions of series 6

Oh and on a totally different note is there a place for Tim/Gavin fanvids or can I post them in this section?

[sev29]

Gavin does have a go at Brittas on a few occassions - my favourite is when they've realised that the Circus man isn't actually Brittas & Julie says "fancy that?" & Gavin says something like "No thank you!", which I love because at the bottom of it I think Tim is jealous of Brittas.

I actually think (with the exception of the AWFUL episode 1 of s6,) that Tim & Gavin are getting on better in series 6 than in most of series 5. Gavin makes a point of telling Brittas he went on holiday with Tim, Tim saves him after the eyedrops incident & you can't fault Gavin for getting Tim's mushrooms.......

In defence of Tim's outbursts though, that he's probably a bit annoyed with Gavin for lying about him. It's one thing when they're both workers, but once Gavin is confirmed management, there's no reason not to tell Brittas because he can hardly sack Gavin, & yet Gavin continues to lie. In Tim's place I'd be a bit touchy too. And I always think that Tim, bless him could at any time up to series 6 have ruined Gavin's management career by telling Brittas, but he never does, bless him.

I'd love to see some Tim/Gavin fanvids, but I have absolutely no idea where you should put them - I'm a fairly newbie myself!

[freeze883]

I think the mistake I made was to watch it all too quickly, watching the god awful stuff in the first ep really changes how I viewed the rest. But I was brave and watched a few again, skipping the first of course and I've really changed my views on it.

I might have gone into most eps still annoyed at Gavin and then missed so many cute moments both from them as a couple and Tim alone. In fact I think series 6 has some of the best Tim moments in the series, I do love it when Tim gets "a little emotional" over something or other or just plain freaks out.

The problem with Tim/Gavin is that you have to pay attention to what's not said to really see it, it's all cute looks and nods and sitting togerther and double meanings and loads of other stuff you (or you know I in this case) could miss if not paying attention.

[sev29]

You're absolutely right - when I first saw s6 ep1 I was so freaked out by both Tim & Gavin's behaviour that I had a big long rant about it on another thread & hated Gavin for a while. (Which was hard, because I really, really like him usually because he's so sweet).

You're right too about having to watch Tim & Gavin, nearly all the best stuff between them is non-verbal. I don't know if you've noticed, but although Tim is supposed to be the jealous one of the two, that it's actually Gavin who's always the physically clingy one. He's the one patting Tim's arm, trying to unobtrusively put his arm round Tim, putting a casual hand on Tim's shoulder, protecting Tim from the romans etc - I can think of loads of times Gavin does this & very few when Tim instigates it.

[timmyrocks]

I think it's okay for you to post the fanvid in the Tim section if it's about Tim. ;D Or Tim/Gavin.

I have to agree with what you've both said. And the non-verbal stuff? I love in series four when Julie kisses Gavin and Tim's all, "Mr. Brittas make her stop!" The look on his face his just adorable!

[freeze883]

I don't think I can multi-quote here so I'll just respond to both

Oh I love the bit where Julie kisses Gavin, but I kinda love when Tim gets all jealous which is kinda funny as Tim flirts with everyone. He even flirts with Brittas in the hypnosis one, right in front of Gavin.

And yeah I've noticed how much Gavin touches Tim too, he's always the one who instigates it, from the very first episode. Tim is more vocal but Gavin has his reasons to be more private given both Tim's age at the start and the laws at the time. Not to mention how his family and the crazy fire girl might react so it makes more sense that with some people Gavin is far more careful.

[sev29]

Tim can flirt with me anytime!!

Tim's age is unspecified & I've never been able to go along with the idea that he was under 21 at the start. I'm old enough to remember as an adult the hysteria around the age of consent issue, & the law was used. Therefore I don't think Gavin OR Tim would have flaunted a relationship to anyone outside their immediate cirlce if Tim was under 21, which to me includes the relative strangers of their new work mates. Everyone clearly knows they are a couple, therefore I put Tim over 21. So Gavin has no excuses!
That sounded really serious - sorry - it's a comedy & I love it more than anything because it's funny. Must remember that!!

[freeze883]

Jun 25, 2008 9:24:38 GMT sev29 said:

Therefore I don't think Gavin OR Tim would have flaunted a relationship to anyone outside their immediate cirlce if Tim was under 21, which to me includes the relative strangers of their new work mates. Everyone clearly knows they are a couple, therefore I put Tim over 21. So Gavin has no excuses!

I was thinking more when they first got together, going on that in series 7 (Gavin Featherly RIP) Tim says he and Gavin had been together for 10 years and that Gavin is 36

I've always thought Tim was quite a bit younger and even thought he might(I've not seen the evidence either way) have been older than 21 in series 1, I don't think he will have been that old when they first got together.

Which even given the little we have seen of Gavin's parents I can see it being a problem with them. Not to say that it is an excuse to keep lying but I can see it being the reason Gavin started and then it all just snowballed.

Not that by series 7 Gavin has any excuse to lie to Tim about telling his parents, it's not like Tim even lies to Brittas, Brittas is just too oblivious to notice or simply doesn't listen. Heck in series 1 Tim out and out tells Brittas and he still doesn't get it.

[sev29]

How do you do that quoting form the previous post thing? I always end up responding generally, because I can't see a way to do it.

Anyhow... the dates are always a bit of an issue - in series 7, they celebrate 10 years of WNLC, Gavin & Tim have been together 10 years & Gavin is 36. But previously (series 4) he was 24ish. Makes no sense whatsoever. But I don't put Tim that much younger than Gavin (he ages better - in series 1 they both look fairly young & within 3 or 4 years of each other age wise, but by series 5 they look about 10 years apart. No offence Tim Marriott fans - I still think he looks good, just older!). So if the 10 years of WNLC & of Tim & Gavin are true they weren't together that long before they started working there.

Gavin definitely lies easily - but he pretty much tells Brittas about him & Tim too both at the end of Playing with Fire & the "he could come with me" thing. But he backs down again when promotion comes up. Presumably he never tells Brittas he intends to make Tim Deputy Manager.

I can see Gavin wouldn't tell his parents - he doesn't see them much anyway, so why give himself the stress, but I find it very hard to believe that in GFRIP they've never even heard of Tim.. Do they never ring? Does Tim never pick up the phone?

[freeze883]

Jun 26, 2008 13:41:16 GMT sev29 said:

How do you do that quoting form the previous post thing?

but I find it very hard to believe that in GFRIP they've never even heard of Tim.. Do they never ring? Does Tim never pick up the phone?

There is a quote button at the top...

And yeah that they have never heard of Tim was really weird, I choose to believe that Gavin's mum simply lied because Gavin's dad didn't know about Tim and he was right next to her.

Gavin told Tim he had told his parents about them and I like to choose to believe he has in fact told everybody else in his family but not his dad because really what would be the point of causing all that upset when he never sees them.

Maybe it's simply the difference in backgrounds but Tim always seemed younger and with that the courage/foolishness that comes with it. Maybe it's simply that Gavin is more reserved and afraid of what people think of him than Tim, or it could be the whole promotion think in the later series'

Or of course it could simply be that Tim is a tiny bit crazy (like when he locked them all in the staff room) and when he gets set off by something he seems younger or less mature which really has nothing to do with age but it still feels that Tim is the younger more impulsive one of the two. Not that I'm complaining I adore Tim when, well all the time really but it's always fun when he's crazy.

[sev29]

I've been thinking about this age thing & i know the age of the actor is largely irrelevant, but we have nothing else to go on so.....
Somewhere on this board The Manager says Tim Marriott bunked off school to see a band in 1975. This must mean he was somewhere between 13 & 18 at this time (I favour between 13 & 16 because you can't really bunk off 6th form), which puts the date of birth between 1957 & 1962. The only info we have on Russell Porter (as far as I know - correct me if I'm wrong, please) is that Amam says he was 27 at the start of TBE. I certainly don't doubt him as he provided us with the best ever up to date photo of the man himself. So, he may have been 27 when first cast, or when it was first shown which is all of 1990 & the start of 1991. This puts his birth date at 1963 or 1964. Therefore there may have been up to 7 years betweem them but more likely much less!
oo - need to go.

[timmyrocks]

The age thing, I don't worry about. The writers of the show changed in series six and lots of things in canon were thrown out of whack. Gavin's age being one of them. All of a sudden he'd gone from late twenties to being thirty six. Also, Carol's twins changed, she had a boy and a girl and then she ended up with either twin boys or twin girls (I forget which). Also, Linda said she didnt' have any parents, (I assume that means family), but in a different episode she had a brother.

So I think I chose to ignore Gavin's age of 36 because it didn't quite fit right. I'm still not sure of Tim's age, but I do believe he was younger than Gavin.

I did wonder about Gavin's parents too. Hadn't they seen their son in ten years? In series one Gavin used the excuse of going round his mothers every Tuesday, but apperently they were living in a different country. And even if they moved their later, didn't they ever visit Gavin's flat and find it odd that Tim was there too?

Gavin tries to keep their relationship from Brittas when he thinks it will affect his promtion, but in series 6 he tells Brittas he went on holiday with Tim. In series four him and Tim bring new duvets into the center and tell Brittas it's for their spare room. Then Gavin leaps to Tims defence when Brittas thinks Tim is a woman. What more clues to Mr Brittas want?

I think I may need to rewatch some of these episodes.

[sev29]

I kind of only got half way through what I was going to say & now I can't remember the point I wanted to make. Oh well. Should never try posting in an evening when I have a million other things going on. All I seem to have got as far as is that we've no idea what the age difference is!

I STILL haven't got all the DVD's, so a lot of the time I'm going from memory - does anyone know if at any point it says whether they're living together at the start, or whether that comes later?

The thing about leaping to Tim's defence is that this makes Brittas more sure Gavin's not gay (doesn't he say something about Gavin being a bit "girly"?). So maybe there's nothing Gavin can do to tell Brittas apart form bluntly spell it out, & then you can't help but feel Brittas would deliberately misunderstand him. I'm all over the place with Gavin - sometimes I want to shake him for not being proud of being with Tim, & other times I'm bending over backwards to defend him.

It just struck me that maybe Gavin's father has been abroad the whole time, but his Mum has only been abroad intermittently, & Gavin's been a bit vague with everyone. I always assumed they'd never been to their flat - can't see tim agreeing to go out so Gavin can pretend he doesn't exist. Never understood why Brittas arranges Gavin's funeral though - wouldn't Tim be kicking off about this?

[timmyrocks]

I assume they're living together, because Brittas in series one says something like 'I had a friend like you and Gavin once. We even shared a flat.' That's not conclusive, but I think they are living together.

Yeah! I understand about Brittas thinking Gavin is girly, but Gavin was willing to lose his job to defend Tim, that's got to say something?!?

I know, it seems strange that Gavin's parents wouldn't visit him. Or phone and Tim answers. Or hear about it from a friend of a friend and so on. I think Tim was too distraught to arrange the funeral, and because they weren't married/civil partnered, Tim would have no legal rights to decide what would happen to Gavin. He wouldn't be his next of kin, that would fall to his parents. But Brittas organised it to help the parents, they just paid for it. Also, Brittas thought Tim was going a little crazy.

[sev29]

Yes, being prepared to lose his job does say something - that's why I always end up liking Gavin, because when push comes to shove, he always backs Tim up. Before he's management he does it all the time - when Brittas moans at Tim, Gavin is the one who says "yes but" to stop Tim getting into trouble. (when Tim lets the child go in the Seb Coe episode is the one that springs to mind).

I remember that "I had a friend once", but wasn't that in Playing With Fire? Which is an interesting episode in that Tim & Gordon kind of get on. Tim chooses to remain behind with Brittas after Gavin goes off with Jenny, & closes the door when they're gone so he's on his own with Brittas. Then he sits down to listen to Brittas' 'sympathy' - Brittas is actually quite kind to Tim here, albeit in a smug "I knew he liked girls" kind of way. Tim says at one point, "but how could he do this to me?" which again is all but telling Brittas, but Brittas just refuses to see it. I'm getting a bit off the point, but I kind of think there's more to Tim & Brittas' relationship than pure dislike, & if it wasn't for Gavin, Brittas might just accept Tim.

Why on this earth, in Brittas' view of the world, did Gavin dying make Tim go crazy? Does he think Tim has this whole unrequited-love thing going on for Gavin?

I could talk about these things forever.